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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20090502/standards/comment-page-1#comment-183186</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A set of &lt;a href=&quot;http://foodbloggercodeofethics.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ethical codes&lt;/a&gt; I can get behind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A set of <a href="http://foodbloggercodeofethics.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ethical codes</a> I can get behind</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20090502/standards/comment-page-1#comment-182903</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple more discussions on the topic:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opinionatedaboutdining.com/OADblog.php?ID=10911&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Opinionated About&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php?title=do_food_bloggers_really_need_a_code_of_e&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Accidental Hedonist&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php?title=why_i_blog_and_free_stuff_that_bloggers_&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple more discussions on the topic:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opinionatedaboutdining.com/OADblog.php?ID=10911" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Opinionated About</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php?title=do_food_bloggers_really_need_a_code_of_e&#038;more=1&#038;c=1&#038;tb=1&#038;pb=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Accidental Hedonist</a> and <a href="http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php?title=why_i_blog_and_free_stuff_that_bloggers_&#038;more=1&#038;c=1&#038;tb=1&#038;pb=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Glutton</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20090502/standards/comment-page-1#comment-182887</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Glutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 00:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Total aside but your blog makes me want to live, no, EAT, in Buenos Aires!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total aside but your blog makes me want to live, no, EAT, in Buenos Aires!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Glutton</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20090502/standards/comment-page-1#comment-182886</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Glutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 00:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan, I&#039;m willing to give the ladies the benefit of the doubt BUT, as Tim Hayward mentions in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/may/06/ethical-food-blog-code&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his Guardian post&lt;/a&gt; and I reiterate in mine, codes and standards have a (surprising?) tendency to work out in favor of those who propose them. And, as someone said (Gibbs on NCIS, maybe?), &quot;I don&#039;t believe in coincidences.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan, I&#8217;m willing to give the ladies the benefit of the doubt BUT, as Tim Hayward mentions in <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/may/06/ethical-food-blog-code" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">his Guardian post</a> and I reiterate in mine, codes and standards have a (surprising?) tendency to work out in favor of those who propose them. And, as someone said (Gibbs on NCIS, maybe?), &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in coincidences.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20090502/standards/comment-page-1#comment-182877</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GG - you make some great points in your posts, especially in the &quot;open letter&quot;. I hadn&#039;t noted until looking back at the two individual sites by the two promoters of this code that they&#039;re getting ready to publish a book about the food blogging world... gee, I wonder if it&#039;s all just coincidence on the timing... what do you think?

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GG &#8211; you make some great points in your posts, especially in the &#8220;open letter&#8221;. I hadn&#8217;t noted until looking back at the two individual sites by the two promoters of this code that they&#8217;re getting ready to publish a book about the food blogging world&#8230; gee, I wonder if it&#8217;s all just coincidence on the timing&#8230; what do you think?</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.saltshaker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Glutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Glutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear! Hear! I made some comments on the specifics of the FOODETHICS proposal at http://bit.ly/iyr2O. However, I oppose this entire effort for reasons explained at http://bit.ly/4YcNb. Bottom line: I think that food blogging should be like Outback Steakhouse — no rules, just right. (Not that I&#039;m suggesting that anyone should actually EAT at Outback, tho, for some bizarre reason, I&#039;ve recently become obsessed with their teriyaki steak. :-))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear! Hear! I made some comments on the specifics of the FOODETHICS proposal at <a href="http://bit.ly/iyr2O" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/iyr2O</a>. However, I oppose this entire effort for reasons explained at <a href="http://bit.ly/4YcNb" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4YcNb</a>. Bottom line: I think that food blogging should be like Outback Steakhouse — no rules, just right. (Not that I&#8217;m suggesting that anyone should actually EAT at Outback, tho, for some bizarre reason, I&#8217;ve recently become obsessed with their teriyaki steak. <img src='http://www.saltshaker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;menu&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.&lt;/em&gt;

- from the poem, &lt;em&gt;First they came...&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/menu&gt;

Ed, I think you&#039;re misreading us. While I don&#039;t know the two young ladies who proposed the first code, they make it very clear that their intentions are honorable. And Steven, or &quot;Fat Guy&quot; as the eGullet community calls him, has proposed a less strict code of his own and is likewise quite clear. Neither insist that everyone adopt it, and in fact all three state that that&#039;s not their intent, but that it is to offer it up for those &quot;who want to demonstrate that they hold themselves to a higher standard&quot;. And that&#039;s where the problem comes in - whatever their intentions, by simple virtue of how they propose the codes, by default they designate those who don&#039;t adopt it as being of lesser standards. 

Yes, I realize they don&#039;t say that, it&#039;s not a law, it&#039;s not a requirement, and nobody&#039;s going to force us to adopt it. But it&#039;s a natural human reaction to read about a blogging code of ethics and see that many have adopted it and others not, and some are displaying a &quot;code of ethics&quot; badge and others not. The casual internet surfer isn&#039;t going to take the time to read through all the commentary, back and forth, and dissenting opinions. They&#039;re going to make the assumption that it IS the code for those with higher standards, and choose their sites accordingly. It&#039;s what people do. 

And on eGullet, there are already those talking about the use of media and peer pressure to get those who aren&#039;t following the code to fall in line - and indeed the mainstream media will back them up - the NY Times has already had two Diners Journal posts in less than a week hailing the advent of these codes, the Village Voice picked up the story, the Guardian UK has a discussion going on it, and they&#039;re not alone among the press. This is something that many professional food writers and restaurant critics have been fantasizing about - a chance to hold bloggers to the same standards that bloggers hold them to. And I don&#039;t think it&#039;s really ignorable. If we&#039;re all lucky, in my opinion anyway, it&#039;ll all simply fizzle out and go away. But I&#039;m not holding my breath that it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><menu><em>&#8220;When they came for me,<br />
there was no one left to speak out for me.</em></p>
<p>- from the poem, <em>First they came&#8230;</em></menu></p>
<p>Ed, I think you&#8217;re misreading us. While I don&#8217;t know the two young ladies who proposed the first code, they make it very clear that their intentions are honorable. And Steven, or &#8220;Fat Guy&#8221; as the eGullet community calls him, has proposed a less strict code of his own and is likewise quite clear. Neither insist that everyone adopt it, and in fact all three state that that&#8217;s not their intent, but that it is to offer it up for those &#8220;who want to demonstrate that they hold themselves to a higher standard&#8221;. And that&#8217;s where the problem comes in &#8211; whatever their intentions, by simple virtue of how they propose the codes, by default they designate those who don&#8217;t adopt it as being of lesser standards. </p>
<p>Yes, I realize they don&#8217;t say that, it&#8217;s not a law, it&#8217;s not a requirement, and nobody&#8217;s going to force us to adopt it. But it&#8217;s a natural human reaction to read about a blogging code of ethics and see that many have adopted it and others not, and some are displaying a &#8220;code of ethics&#8221; badge and others not. The casual internet surfer isn&#8217;t going to take the time to read through all the commentary, back and forth, and dissenting opinions. They&#8217;re going to make the assumption that it IS the code for those with higher standards, and choose their sites accordingly. It&#8217;s what people do. </p>
<p>And on eGullet, there are already those talking about the use of media and peer pressure to get those who aren&#8217;t following the code to fall in line &#8211; and indeed the mainstream media will back them up &#8211; the NY Times has already had two Diners Journal posts in less than a week hailing the advent of these codes, the Village Voice picked up the story, the Guardian UK has a discussion going on it, and they&#8217;re not alone among the press. This is something that many professional food writers and restaurant critics have been fantasizing about &#8211; a chance to hold bloggers to the same standards that bloggers hold them to. And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s really ignorable. If we&#8217;re all lucky, in my opinion anyway, it&#8217;ll all simply fizzle out and go away. But I&#8217;m not holding my breath that it will.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hawco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hawco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only problem I have with the Code of Ethics is this idea that some people seem to have that is is a MUST FOLLOW or somehow *required.* Forget that! The code is there if you want to follow it, but it&#039;s not a goddam law. Nobody says you HAVE to adopt it or follow it. If your blog is a personal thing or some kind of anti-establishment thing and you&#039;re not interested in the code of ethics then just frakking ignore it!

This kind of thing always kills me. Somebody proposes an idea for a standard or some kind of code, and everybody thinks it&#039;s an attempt to suppress everyone under some kind of biblical decree or something. (The 1990s were insane with that kind of stuff during the era of PC fascism.) Lighten up! It&#039;s just a purely optional model of good behavior.

At least for now. No doubt some of its proponents will get bent out of shape and go too far with it. I hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem I have with the Code of Ethics is this idea that some people seem to have that is is a MUST FOLLOW or somehow *required.* Forget that! The code is there if you want to follow it, but it&#8217;s not a goddam law. Nobody says you HAVE to adopt it or follow it. If your blog is a personal thing or some kind of anti-establishment thing and you&#8217;re not interested in the code of ethics then just frakking ignore it!</p>
<p>This kind of thing always kills me. Somebody proposes an idea for a standard or some kind of code, and everybody thinks it&#8217;s an attempt to suppress everyone under some kind of biblical decree or something. (The 1990s were insane with that kind of stuff during the era of PC fascism.) Lighten up! It&#8217;s just a purely optional model of good behavior.</p>
<p>At least for now. No doubt some of its proponents will get bent out of shape and go too far with it. I hope not.</p>
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