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	<description>Casting a little flavor (and a few aspersions) on the world of food, drink, and life</description>
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		<title>By: SaltShaker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Detox Daydreams</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20060401/the-future/comment-page-1#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>SaltShaker &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Detox Daydreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feeling quite happy, I sat down to do some more catching up on various food (and other) related films. Next on my list was Super Size Me, Morgan Spurlock&#8217;s month-long McDonald&#8217;s fest. I hadn&#8217;t bothered with this film when it came out because the premise just sort of sounded silly - I mean, does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that binge eating fast food three times a day for a month isn&#8217;t healthy for you? But, I figured I may as well check it out, and I have to admit to being pleasantly surprised. The film is indeed a manifesto of sorts against McDonald&#8217;s and others, but it&#8217;s done with humor and intelligence, and, what I was trying to point out the other day in relation to The Future of Food, balance. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feeling quite happy, I sat down to do some more catching up on various food (and other) related films. Next on my list was Super Size Me, Morgan Spurlock&#8217;s month-long McDonald&#8217;s fest. I hadn&#8217;t bothered with this film when it came out because the premise just sort of sounded silly &#8211; I mean, does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that binge eating fast food three times a day for a month isn&#8217;t healthy for you? But, I figured I may as well check it out, and I have to admit to being pleasantly surprised. The film is indeed a manifesto of sorts against McDonald&#8217;s and others, but it&#8217;s done with humor and intelligence, and, what I was trying to point out the other day in relation to The Future of Food, balance. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20060401/the-future/comment-page-1#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, of course, nor am I just raising that chorus. But that still doesn&#039;t, at least in my book, make the manufacturers into some sort of evil beings. But then, I don&#039;t fall into the camp that guns shouldn&#039;t exist.  Where I grew up, many kids had access to guns in their houses, many of my friends had their own. We had problems too. I don&#039;t remember anyone shooting anyone else. Nor, by the way, is it even a matter of poor gun control - which I do think is a problem, but still don&#039;t think is the main problem, which for me, is blatant lack of decent socialization in our society anymore. Violence has become an acceptable way of settling petty disputes.

I think parenting in the U.S. is way out of whack, as is, due to how litigious our society has become, the ability of anyone from outside a family to step in (&lt;em&gt;e.g.,&lt;/em&gt; teachers, administrators, community leaders, organization organizers, or what have you) and maybe prevent some of this kind of stuff. Instead we&#039;ve got things like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisistrue.com/zt.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;zero tolerance&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; laws that end up having kids suspended from school because they were playing with squirt guns, or making model rockets out of potato chip canisters (missiles, you know), or 6-year olds being charged with drug possession for bringing candy to school to share. And while I find those sorts of laws and their enforcement stupid, I can almost understand the need for them - since a school administrator or teacher who disciplines a child with something as simple as detention these days can be sued for any of a variety of things by that child or his/her parents, and probably lose. Personally, I admire any teacher who&#039;s sticking it out in our current society, hoping to make a change. Of course, it&#039;s tough to be a parent too - I mean, kids can now go back and sue you for having spanked them.

But once again, we&#039;ve strayed far from the point I was originally trying to make, which I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve missed, despite my repeating it, or just don&#039;t agree with. At no time did I say that the two filmmakers shouldn&#039;t be presenting their views, or, for much of what both of them have presented, do I disagree with their conclusions. My point is, was, and will be, that I think they could have made their case MORE powerful by having their films be more balanced. Preaching to the choir, as it were, it doesn&#039;t matter, and you&#039;re clearly a member of the choir. Preaching to those who aren&#039;t members, requires, in my view, showing them both sides of an issue and then showing them why your side makes more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, of course, nor am I just raising that chorus. But that still doesn&#8217;t, at least in my book, make the manufacturers into some sort of evil beings. But then, I don&#8217;t fall into the camp that guns shouldn&#8217;t exist.  Where I grew up, many kids had access to guns in their houses, many of my friends had their own. We had problems too. I don&#8217;t remember anyone shooting anyone else. Nor, by the way, is it even a matter of poor gun control &#8211; which I do think is a problem, but still don&#8217;t think is the main problem, which for me, is blatant lack of decent socialization in our society anymore. Violence has become an acceptable way of settling petty disputes.</p>
<p>I think parenting in the U.S. is way out of whack, as is, due to how litigious our society has become, the ability of anyone from outside a family to step in (<em>e.g.,</em> teachers, administrators, community leaders, organization organizers, or what have you) and maybe prevent some of this kind of stuff. Instead we&#8217;ve got things like <a href="http://www.thisistrue.com/zt.html" target="_blank"><em>zero tolerance</em></a> laws that end up having kids suspended from school because they were playing with squirt guns, or making model rockets out of potato chip canisters (missiles, you know), or 6-year olds being charged with drug possession for bringing candy to school to share. And while I find those sorts of laws and their enforcement stupid, I can almost understand the need for them &#8211; since a school administrator or teacher who disciplines a child with something as simple as detention these days can be sued for any of a variety of things by that child or his/her parents, and probably lose. Personally, I admire any teacher who&#8217;s sticking it out in our current society, hoping to make a change. Of course, it&#8217;s tough to be a parent too &#8211; I mean, kids can now go back and sue you for having spanked them.</p>
<p>But once again, we&#8217;ve strayed far from the point I was originally trying to make, which I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve missed, despite my repeating it, or just don&#8217;t agree with. At no time did I say that the two filmmakers shouldn&#8217;t be presenting their views, or, for much of what both of them have presented, do I disagree with their conclusions. My point is, was, and will be, that I think they could have made their case MORE powerful by having their films be more balanced. Preaching to the choir, as it were, it doesn&#8217;t matter, and you&#8217;re clearly a member of the choir. Preaching to those who aren&#8217;t members, requires, in my view, showing them both sides of an issue and then showing them why your side makes more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: ksternberg</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20060401/the-future/comment-page-1#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>ksternberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One day, over a lot of wine, we&#039;ll have an in-depth conversation. The guns don&#039;t kill people, people kill people chorus is just wrong. Without guns, those same ill people who do end up going postal may, indeed, still try to murder others. But it&#039;s at least a tad more difficult with a stick or a knife (not that I would know, ok?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One day, over a lot of wine, we&#8217;ll have an in-depth conversation. The guns don&#8217;t kill people, people kill people chorus is just wrong. Without guns, those same ill people who do end up going postal may, indeed, still try to murder others. But it&#8217;s at least a tad more difficult with a stick or a knife (not that I would know, ok?).</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20060401/the-future/comment-page-1#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, a lot of it depends on your perspective and the background you come from, and I&#039;m willing to admit that there might be other ones than mine. I don&#039;t think Moore is - and no, he&#039;s not a journalist, nor does he have an obligation to be balanced - and, my point wasn&#039;t that he did, but that I think his message, like the message of the above film, would be more powerful, if he didn&#039;t come across so one-sided. I don&#039;t disagree with many of his conclusions, I just think his method of delivery was far less effective than it could have been if he&#039;d allowed for some coherent opposing viewpoints.

As to the latter part of your comment. Let&#039;s see, yes, GM left many people without jobs when they closed their plant in Flint. On the other hand, having grown up in that area and watched repeated strikes, often violent, by auto workers demanding more benefits and money - when essentially their unskilled laborers were making $20-30 an hour plus medical, dental, vacation, etc. - in the 1960s and 1970s - I can understand the business perspective of deciding to go for a labor market elsewhere, even if GM&#039;s high-handed approach sucked. Are gun makers bad? Debatable. Gun users, in general, I&#039;d say yes. And, obviously, if there were no major suppliers, that would limit access. But gun makers responsible for a troubled kid killing his friends, teachers and himself? Sorry, I don&#039;t find any evidence. It&#039;s like the specious arguments that playing dungeons and dragons makes kids kill or go crazy, or anything else of that nature. You and I grew up with cartoons and games that were just as violent, and so far, neither of us has &quot;gone postal.&quot; And Bush, sorry - from my perspective neither misunderstood nor evil. Stupid, idiotic, a political hack? Yes. Evil? Given some of the things I&#039;ve seen in other parts of the world, he&#039;s not even on the scale.

But, all that&#039;s just my own perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, a lot of it depends on your perspective and the background you come from, and I&#8217;m willing to admit that there might be other ones than mine. I don&#8217;t think Moore is &#8211; and no, he&#8217;s not a journalist, nor does he have an obligation to be balanced &#8211; and, my point wasn&#8217;t that he did, but that I think his message, like the message of the above film, would be more powerful, if he didn&#8217;t come across so one-sided. I don&#8217;t disagree with many of his conclusions, I just think his method of delivery was far less effective than it could have been if he&#8217;d allowed for some coherent opposing viewpoints.</p>
<p>As to the latter part of your comment. Let&#8217;s see, yes, GM left many people without jobs when they closed their plant in Flint. On the other hand, having grown up in that area and watched repeated strikes, often violent, by auto workers demanding more benefits and money &#8211; when essentially their unskilled laborers were making $20-30 an hour plus medical, dental, vacation, etc. &#8211; in the 1960s and 1970s &#8211; I can understand the business perspective of deciding to go for a labor market elsewhere, even if GM&#8217;s high-handed approach sucked. Are gun makers bad? Debatable. Gun users, in general, I&#8217;d say yes. And, obviously, if there were no major suppliers, that would limit access. But gun makers responsible for a troubled kid killing his friends, teachers and himself? Sorry, I don&#8217;t find any evidence. It&#8217;s like the specious arguments that playing dungeons and dragons makes kids kill or go crazy, or anything else of that nature. You and I grew up with cartoons and games that were just as violent, and so far, neither of us has &#8220;gone postal.&#8221; And Bush, sorry &#8211; from my perspective neither misunderstood nor evil. Stupid, idiotic, a political hack? Yes. Evil? Given some of the things I&#8217;ve seen in other parts of the world, he&#8217;s not even on the scale.</p>
<p>But, all that&#8217;s just my own perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: ksternberg</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20060401/the-future/comment-page-1#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>ksternberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, but Moore is not a journalist and has no requirement to be objective or overly balanced. There may be an up side to GM, despite its ruining the city of Flint, Michigan by closing the main source of employment there. And maybe those gun makers are not really so bad, after all. And Bush? He&#039;s simply misunderstood, not evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, but Moore is not a journalist and has no requirement to be objective or overly balanced. There may be an up side to GM, despite its ruining the city of Flint, Michigan by closing the main source of employment there. And maybe those gun makers are not really so bad, after all. And Bush? He&#8217;s simply misunderstood, not evil.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.saltshaker.net/20060401/the-future/comment-page-1#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While that may be true, from my perspective, his problem is much the same as in this film, but even more so - he&#039;s so one-sided and so rabid about his views that although I come away thinking about new things, which is good, I also come away doubting much of what he&#039;s presented. If he were to present his views in a more reasoned, intelligent fashion, and give some room for the possibility that the companies and people he attacks are not all-consumingly evil, for me anyway, he&#039;d be far more convincing. But that&#039;s just a personal perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While that may be true, from my perspective, his problem is much the same as in this film, but even more so &#8211; he&#8217;s so one-sided and so rabid about his views that although I come away thinking about new things, which is good, I also come away doubting much of what he&#8217;s presented. If he were to present his views in a more reasoned, intelligent fashion, and give some room for the possibility that the companies and people he attacks are not all-consumingly evil, for me anyway, he&#8217;d be far more convincing. But that&#8217;s just a personal perspective.</p>
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